Trump, Zelensky, Vance shouting match: FULL MEETING

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**President Trump:** Well, thank you very much. It's an honor to have President Zelensky of Ukraine here. We've been working very hard and very closely together. We've actually known each other for a long time, dealing with each other very well. We had a little negotiation spat, but that worked out great, I think, for both countries and, actually, for the world beyond both countries. We have something that is a very fair deal, and we look forward to getting in, digging, digging, digging, and working on some of the rare earth. It means we're going to be inside, and it's a big commitment from the United States. We appreciate working with you very much, and we will continue to do that. We have had some very good discussions with Russia. I spoke with President Putin, and we're going to try and bring this to a close. It's something that you want and that he wants. We have to negotiate a deal, but we've started the confines of a deal, and I think something can happen. The big thing is the number of soldiers, mostly at this point, being killed. You're losing thousands of soldiers on both sides. We're losing a lot of soldiers, and we want to see it stop. We want to see the money put to different kinds of use, like rebuilding. We're going to be working very hard, but we've had a lot of very good conversations. I will say, until we came along, the Biden Administration didn't speak to Russia whatsoever. They didn't speak to anybody; they just allowed this to continue. And I will say, in front of you, you've heard me say it a thousand times: If I were president, this war would have never happened. We would have had a deal negotiated for you without having to go through what you've gone through. But your soldiers have been unbelievably brave. We've given them great equipment, but somebody has to use the equipment. They've been unbelievably brave, and we give them great credit. This was supposed to be over very quickly, and here we are three years later. So, I give tremendous credit to your generals, your soldiers, and yourself in the sense that it's been very hard fighting—very tough fighting. They have great fighters, and you have to be very proud of them from that standpoint. But now we want to get it over with. It's enough, right? We want to get it over with. So, it's an honor to have you here. Thank you very much for coming. We're going to sign the agreement at the conference in the East Room in a little while, right after lunch. We'll be having lunch together, and we're also discussing some other things. We appreciate everybody being here. It's somewhat of an exciting moment, but the really exciting moment is when we stop the shooting and end up with a deal. I think we're fairly close to getting that. **President Zelensky:** Thank you so much, Mr. President. Thank you for the invitation. I really hope that this document, the first document, will be the first step to real security guarantees for Ukraine, our people, and our children. I really count on it. Of course, we count on America not to stop support. It's very important for us to continue that support. I want to discuss it in detail further during our conversation, and of course, the infrastructure or security guarantees. For today, I understand what Europe is ready to do, and of course, I want to discuss with you what the United States will be ready to do. I really count on your strong position to stop Putin. You said that enough is enough with the war. I think that is very important to say these words to Putin at the very beginning of the war because he is a killer and a terrorist. But I hope that together we can stop him. For us, it's very important to save our country, our values, our freedom, and democracy. Of course, there can be no compromises with the killer about our territories, but that will be later. What I wanted to mention is that we spoke by phone about drone production. We have very good drone production; I think the best one in the world today because of the war. Of course, we need very much the air defense. You have the best air defense in the world, and really, you helped us under attacks from the Russians. I want to speak about how we can exchange the licenses. We're open to sharing the licenses of all our drones with you, of course, with the United States. We need licenses for quick production of air defense. Even after the war, we need our nation to be calm that we are secured. That's why we need this air shield. I also want to speak about the contingencies. I think that France and the UK already spoke to you, and we know that Europe is ready, but without the United States, they will not be ready to be as strong as we need. The last point, not least, is about the exchange of our people and children. You know that this crazy Russian regime has stolen 20,000 Ukrainian children. They changed their names, their families, and now they are in Russia. We want to bring them back, and really, it's a big dream task and goal for me and our warriors. By the way, Mr. President, we exchanged and released more than 4,000 warriors from Russian prisons, but there are thousands more in prison. I wanted to share with you some images to help you understand the circumstances and the situation they are in, and the attitude of Russia towards our prisoners. These guys, just before and after, you see the changes. Now, thousands of such guys, ladies, and men are there. They don't eat; they beat them, and they do a lot of bad things. Even during the war, there are rules. Everybody knows there are rules during the war, but these guys don't have any rules. You see that they weigh 50-60 kg less, and there are a lot of such things. I didn't want to show you the images of children because I will share just share with you. I mean, it's looking tragically tough stuff. I wanted very much to give you this. You see, this is a pastor, by the way. They stole pastors because it's not a Russian church; it's stolen pastors moved to prison. At the end of last year, we brought three pastors, and we could exchange them. Thank you very much. We want to get this ended, right? **President Trump:** Yeah, of course, of course, we will. I think we will. Do you have any questions, please? **Reporter:** Thank you, Mr. President. How much money is the U.S. going to put into the fund that is being created today, and how does this provide long-term security for Ukraine? **President Trump:** Well, we don't know exactly how much because we're going to be putting some money in a fund that we're going to get from the raw earth that we're going to be taking and sharing in terms of revenue. So, it's going to be a lot of money made from the sale and from the use of raw earth. As you know, our country doesn't have much raw earth; we have a lot of oil and gas, but we don't have a lot of the raw earth. What we do have is protected by environmentalists, but that could be unprotected. Still, it's not very much. They have among the best in the world in terms of raw earth, so we're going to be using that, taking it, and using it for all of the things we do, including AI and including weapons and the military. It's really going to satisfy our needs. So, something that just worked out really well. We have a lot of oil, we have a lot of gas, but we don't have raw earth. This has just about every component of the raw earth that we need for computers and all of the things we do. This puts us in great shape for long-term security for Ukraine. I think they're going to have great long-term security. Once we make the agreement, that's going to be 95% of it. They're not going to go back to fighting. I've spoken with President Putin, and I feel very strongly that they're very serious about it, and we'll make a deal. When the deal is made, I don't think we talk about security. Everyone's talking about it. The other day, all they talked about was security. I said, "Let me make the deal first." I have to make the deal first. I don't worry about security right now; we have to have a deal because right now, last week, 2,000 soldiers died on both sides—2,000. They're losing 2,000 to 3,000 a week. So, as we sit here and talk, people are getting shot and dying on the battlefield. You know, they're not American soldiers, but they're Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers. We want to be able to stop it, and we also want to be able to spend money on other things. This is a tremendous amount of money, and what the Biden Administration did was terrible. They were giving money, but he had no security on the money. Europe, as you know, gave much less money, but they had security. It was in the form of a loan; they get their money back, and we didn't. Now, at least we're protected because the American taxpayer has to be protected too. This is an incredible agreement for Ukraine because we have a big investment in their country now, and what they have, very few people have. We're able to really go forward with very high-tech things, including weaponry that we're going to use in many locations, but that we need for our country. This allows us to do this. **President Zelensky:** If I can just add, in the document, there is one very important point. If we speak about business and investment, we never had LNG terminals in Ukraine. This document will open, I mean, the next documents, but anyway, here we see really goodwill for these LNG terminals. For us, it's very important, and I think for the security of the European continent. We have the biggest gas storage in Europe, and we can use it for LNG. We will do it, and really, we can help Europe because Europe really helped us. **President Trump:** They made less support, but they are our friends and very supportive partners. They really gave a lot. **Reporter:** Mr. President Trump, you have repeatedly called the deal with Ukraine a historical one. As President of the United States, you make historical decisions in other issues that affect America and the world. What place in world history do you want to take, and do you associate yourself with any famous historical figure? **President Trump:** I'd say George Washington, Abraham Lincoln. I would say I'm far superior to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. Now, you know I'm only kidding, right? Because what I say, the fake news is going to go wild. They're going to say he considers himself to be better than Washington. But you never know. I don't compare myself to anybody; I'm just here to do a job. We've had a great 35 days or whatever it might be—a month, a little more than a month. We've accomplished tremendous amounts. Not only this, but this would be a very great achievement if we could get this war stopped and get back to normalization. I think that's going to happen. We've had very good talks on both sides, as you know. But I think we've done a very good job. Just generally, if you look at all of the things we've done in 30 days, they're saying there's never been an opening for a president in the first month. There's never been a first month like we've had, and this is one of the very important things. To me, this is one of the most important things because we have tremendous death taking place as we speak, and I don't want to have that. Think of the parents, whether they're in Russia or Ukraine. Think of the parents of all these people being killed needlessly. This war should have never started. If I were president, this would have never started. **Reporter:** Will you continue sending military aid to Ukraine after the U.S. signs this agreement with Ukraine? **President Trump:** Yes, we're going to send arms to Ukraine. Hopefully, I won't have to send very much because hopefully, we're going to have it finished. We're looking forward to finishing this quickly. We're not looking forward to sending a lot of arms; we're looking forward to getting the war finished so we can do other things. But we very much appreciate the agreement because we needed what they had, and we're treating—our country is now treated fairly. Biden didn't do that. He didn't know what the hell he was doing. This should have never happened. **President Zelensky:** Mr. President, I hope that the U.S. will continue to support us. **President Trump:** I don't want to talk about security yet because I want to get the deal done. You fall into the same trap like everybody else. A million times, you said it over and over. I want to get the deal done. Security is so easy; that's about 2% of the problem. I'm not worried about security; I'm worried about getting the deal done. The security is the easy part. Security is very nice. Everybody stops shooting, and now will Europe put people there? I know France is going to; I know the UK is going to; I know other countries are going to, and they happen to be right next door. We haven't committed, but we could conceivably. You know, we have security in a different form. We'll have workers there digging, digging, digging, taking the raw earth so that we can create a lot of great products in this country. In that sense, you have something, but we haven't determined that yet. I will say, in speaking to France and in speaking to the UK, they have committed to a lot of security. I don't think you're going to need much security. I think once this deal gets done, it's over. Russia is not going to want to go back, and nobody's going to want to go back when this deal ends. I really believe this deal is going to be over. **Reporter:** Mr. President, thank you. You hosted Macron and Keir Starmer at the White House this past week, both of whom praised your courage and conviction to lead the pathway towards peace. Yes, part of that involved re-engaging Russia in diplomatic relations, something that previous leaders lacked the conviction to do. What gave you the moral courage and conviction to step forward and lead that? **President Trump:** Well, I love this guy. Who are you with? **Reporter:** One America News. **President Trump:** Well, that's why I like him. One America News does a great job. That's very—I like the question. I think it's a very good question. It is a pathway to peace; it's a pathway to getting something solved. I feel that as the head of this country, I have an obligation to do that. Plus, you know, we're very much involved. We got involved. It's too bad we got involved because there should have been no involvement because there should have been no war. October 7th should have never happened. As you know, Iran was broke; they had no money to give to Hezbollah, they had no money to give to Hamas. They were stone cold broke, and then under Biden, they became rich as hell. They went from no money to $300 billion in a period of four years, and they gave a lot of that money away. You see what happened, and that's a real mess also that we hope to be able to solve. But no, I appreciate your question very much. I just feel I have an obligation to try and do something to stop the death. **President Zelensky:** If I can answer, please. I do like your clothing, by the way. **President Trump:** Yeah, really. Even though I have to say, I think he's a great guy, by the way. But I don't know if you two like each other, but you know what? I think he's dressed beautifully. **President Zelensky:** I have more serious things to answer on such a question. I will answer a more serious question if I can. So, please, about security guarantees and about just a ceasefire. We can't just speak about a ceasefire and speak and speak; it will not work. A ceasefire will never work because I'm, like, a president. I have this experience, and not only me. Ukraine, before my presidency, from 2014, Putin broke 25 times. **President Zelensky:** times 25 times he broke his own signature. 25 times he broke the ceasefire. He never broke to me. He never broke to—no, no, you were the president. You were the president. He had, of course, not with you, but he had during that period conversations outside, and we had the Normandy format, you know, France, Germany, Ukraine, and Russia, and he broke 25 times. That's why we will never accept just a ceasefire. It will not work without security guarantees. Security guarantees—maybe the president is right about this document and others, but this document is not strong enough. The army is enough because his soldiers are afraid. Putin's soldiers are afraid of our soldiers when we're strong enough. If we are not strong enough, if our storage is empty, we can't defend our land today. You know, he knows that we have a meeting. Yes, why is he using ballistic missiles? Putin today is using ballistic missiles on our hospitals, schools, etc. He knows that we are here and that President Trump really has the goodwill to stop this war. I hope that we will do it—really, we'll do it. When we speak about security guarantees, when the Europeans are ready for contingencies, they need the USA backstop. If the world will not be united with the United States, we will never have any strong contingents from the Europeans because they don't want to divide the alliance connection between the United States and the main and strongest European nations. This is crucial; this is important. That's what we want to speak about very much. This is very important, and their defense—air defense—we really have a big deficit with all these systems, and we need to provide this. We need it very much; otherwise, Putin will never stop and will go further and further. He doesn't want to stop; he hates us. You know, it's not about me; he hates Ukrainians. He thinks that we are not a nation. He thinks—and he shared the words, I think maybe with your team also, I don't know, but with all the Europeans in media, officially and not—he always said that there is no such country, such nation, such language, and such life like Ukrainian. No, he really doesn't respect all the Ukrainians, and he wants to destroy us. You are right, Mr. President, that this document is maybe a very good start, but it will not be enough to stop this person. Russia should rebuild Ukraine. Mr. President, this is the rule of war. During all the centuries, all the history, this is the rule of war: who began, those pay. This is the rule. Putin began this war; he has to pay all the money for renovation. He has to pay, of course, some Russian assets that we have in Europe—about $300 billion—we can use them. We can use them for renovation and buy military support from the United States also. But it's not enough. **Reporter:** I want to ask this question that you didn't like because I wanted to know if you want to position yourself in the middle between Russia and Ukraine or on the Ukraine side. **President Trump:** I'm in the middle. I want to solve this thing. I'm for both. I want to get it solved, and it's wonderful to speak badly about somebody else, but I want to get it solved. If we can solve it, great. If we can't solve it, they're going to have to fight it out, and who knows what's going to happen. But I want to see it get solved. **Reporter:** May I follow up one more question about U.S. troops in Europe? After the Russian invasion of Ukraine, your predecessor sent additional troops to Eastern Europe, including Poland, my country. Are you committed to keeping these troops on the Eastern flank of NATO in the future? **President Trump:** I'm very committed to Poland. I think Poland has really stepped up and done a great job for NATO. They, as you know, paid more than they had to. They are one of the finest groups of people I've ever known. I'm very committed to Poland. **Reporter:** What about the Baltics? **President Trump:** The Baltics—they've got a lot of—it's a tough neighborhood too, but we're committed. We're going to be very committed, and we're committed to NATO. But NATO has to step up, and the Europeans have to step up more than they have. I want to see them equalize because they are in for far less than we're in, and they should be at least equal. You understand that? Why is the United States—we have an ocean in between—why is the United States in for so much more money and other things than Europe? With that being said, and as you said, they've also been obviously very helpful, but we have put in far more than they have, and I think they should equalize. **Reporter:** Mr. President, about the agreement again today, what changed between the first time that Secretary Blinken gave President Zelensky the agreement and today for the signing? **President Trump:** We made a deal. So, what changed? I'm a business person; we made a deal. I didn't think we were going to make a deal, and we ended up making the deal. So, that changed. **Reporter:** Mr. President, how do you envision a trilateral summit with President Zelensky and Putin? **President Trump:** Well, they don't like each other. I can tell you that. They do not like each other. This is not a love match, and it's unfortunate. That's why you're in this situation. The United States should not have allowed this to happen. The United States, run by a man that didn't know much—I'm going to be very nice—run by an incompetent person, very incompetent person, should never have allowed this to happen. I've stopped wars. I've stopped many wars. My people will tell you I stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. You can look at some of—I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war. I could tell you right now there's a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about—too small nations, but still big. I think I've stopped it, but this should have never happened. **President Zelensky:** About any negotiations, first of all, I want to really tell you, and I think that everybody understands that Ukraine, more than Ukrainians, nobody wants to stop this war. But in the future, any negotiations, it's understandable that two sides of the war—not Russia and the United States—because this is not the war between Russia and the United States. This is a war of Russia against Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. So, these two sides will be at the negotiation table. Then, of course, the United States, like the strongest partner of Ukraine, and of course, Europe. I think Europe is very important. I want to speak about it with the president. Yes, Europe is very important for us because we really defend Europe. For today, all Europeans really recognize that we are defending the line, and they have real life, and our people are dying. That's why they helped us. **President Trump:** And also, it's about NATO. Yes, between, like the president said, you have a big, nice ocean between us. But if we will not stay, Russia will go further to the Baltics and to Poland, by the way. But to the Baltics, it's understandable for them because they've been in the USSR. You know, they've been one of the republics of the USSR, and Putin wants to bring them back to his empire. It's a fact. And when he will go there, if we will not stay, you will fight your American soldiers. It doesn't matter if you have an ocean or not; your soldiers will fight. **Reporter:** Mr. President, would you be willing to visit Ukraine, maybe Kyiv or Odessa, which is known to be— **President Trump:** I don't want to talk about Odessa now. Let's not talk about Odessa. I want to talk about making a deal, getting peace. We don't have to talk about Odessa. But a lot of cities have been destroyed; a lot of cities are not recognizable. There's not a building standing, and a lot of things come. **President Zelensky:** You have to come and look. **President Trump:** No, no, we have very good cities. Yes, a lot of things have been destroyed, but mostly cities are alive, and people work, and children go to school. Sometimes it's very difficult. Sometimes, closer to the front line, children have to go to underground schools or online, but we live. Ukraine is fighting, and Ukraine lives. This is very important. Maybe Putin is sharing this information that he destroyed us. No, he lost 700,000 people—700,000 soldiers he lost. **Reporter:** Mr. President, when did you last speak with President Putin, and what did he say? **President Trump:** A couple of days ago. **Reporter:** And what did he tell you that gave you the assurance that he wanted peace? **President Trump:** Well, that's what I do. My whole life is deals. I know pretty good. I've known him for a long time. I've dealt with him for a long time. He had to suffer through the Russia hoax. You know, Russia, Russia, Russia was a hoax. It was all Biden; it had nothing to do with him. So, he had to suffer through that. I think that he wants to make a deal, and he would like to see it end. That's all I do. That's what I do my whole life. That's what I do is make deals, and I'm in the middle of a mess because this is a real mess. It's a very dangerous one. If this doesn't get solved now, it's not going to get solved for a long time. So, I hope we're going to get it solved. **Reporter:** In the back, please. **Reporter:** Thank you, Mr. President. Prime Minister Zelensky repeatedly claims that his government believes in free speech and is not engaged in censorship, but his country's government arrests people for memes and thought crimes. Even more worrisome is pressuring American companies to censor Americans on his behalf. How can he be a reliable, trustworthy partner when he says things that are demonstrably false on such an important issue? **President Trump:** Well, we actually spoke to him about that yesterday, and we thought they took it very, very much too far. JD was very strong on it; so was I, so was Marco. We've been speaking to him about it. Marco, would you like to say something about it? **Senator Rubio:** Yeah, we have concerns, obviously, with the conduct there, particularly as it impacts Americans. There's real concern that American speech, which is online, could fall into the hands of British or any country's jurisdiction. This is a point the Vice President made at Munich, and I think it's a very compelling one. What unites us with Europe, as much as anything else, is these shared values, and one of them being free speech. If Americans are threatened by it, we're going to need to take action in that regard. It's actually a very important question. We spoke about this in detail with the Prime Minister and the Foreign Secretary and others at lunch yesterday, and I know that Secretary of Commerce Lutnick followed up in private meetings last night. This is really important. We believe Americans have the right to speak their mind, even if we in this room disagree with them. They have the right to speak their mind in the public square, which is often online these days, and we're going to defend that right as it pertains to American companies and American citizens vigorously if we have to. I do think that under the President's leadership, we're going to find common ground with our friends in the UK on this question, but it remains to be seen. The principle that will guide us is we believe in free speech in this country, and we'll fight forward for American citizens. **Reporter:** Mr. President, on the deal, is there any other oil and gas component to the deal? Is it all minerals? **President Trump:** A little bit. We'll see on LNG, but we're not really looking for that so much. We have a lot. We have more than anybody in the world by far. So, no, we're not talking about it too much, but a little bit, I think it affects also. But for the most part, no. **Reporter:** Is there any agreement from Ukraine to purchase U.S. LNG as part of the deal, or is that on the table at all? **President Trump:** No, we don't need that. **Reporter:** I just wanted to ask you about—you just mentioned that you'd spoken to Vladimir Putin a couple of days ago. Just to be clear, that's a new call, not the one— **President Trump:** I've spoken to him on numerous occasions. **Reporter:** Okay, and how was the latest call? What did you discuss? **President Trump:** How do you go? Are you serious with that question? I am. I'd love to know. **President Trump:** It went well. I think we're going to have a deal on the minerals deal. **Reporter:** Mr. President, some of those minerals are in the east of Ukraine, not far from the front lines and in areas that Russia has occupied. Will you direct President Putin to withdraw his forces from those areas if there are U.S. interests? **President Trump:** Well, we'll take a look at the time. We have a lot of area. It's a very big area we're talking about, so we'll take a look. I'll study that, and I'll see. **Reporter:** And who would protect those minerals if they are U.S. interests? Would that be Ukrainian protected? **President Trump:** The agreement will protect them. **Reporter:** The agreement? **President Trump:** Yeah, we're signing an agreement. **Reporter:** But what if Russia tries to invade, or there's Russian aggression in those spots? **President Trump:** I just told you I don't think that's going to happen, and if that were going to happen, I wouldn't make a deal. If I thought that was going to happen, I wouldn't make a deal. Some people may wonder why. You know, they ought to focus on CNN on survival, not asking me these ridiculous questions. Focus on surviving because CNN's got such low ratings, I don't think they're going to survive. **President Trump:** Let go already. I already mentioned Poland—that Poland was under Russian control for decades after the Second World War. When I was a kid, I looked at the United States not only as the most powerful country, the richest country in the world, the country that has great music, great movies, great muscle cars, but also as a force for good. Do you—and now I'm talking with my friends in Poland, and they are worried that you align yourself too much with Putin. What's your message for them? **President Trump:** Well, if I didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have a deal. You want me to say really terrible things about Putin and then say, "Hi, Vladimir, how are we doing on the deal?" That doesn't work that way. I'm not aligned with Putin; I'm not aligned with anybody. I'm aligned with the United States of America and for the good of the world. I'm aligned with the world, and I want to get this thing over with. You see the hatred he's got for Putin. It's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of—he's got tremendous hatred, and I understand that. But I can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with him either. So, it's not a question of alignment. I have to—I'm aligned with the world. I want to get things set. I'm aligned with Europe. I want to see if we can get this thing done. You want me to be tough? I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen. I'd be so tough, but you're never going to get a deal that way. So, that's the way it goes. **Reporter:** One more question. **President Trump:** I would like to respond to this. So, look, for four years in the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the president of the United States's words mattered more than the president of the United States's actions. What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President Trump is doing. **President Zelensky:** Can I ask you? **President Trump:** Sure, yeah, yeah. **President Zelensky:** Okay, so he occupied our parts—big parts of Ukraine, part of the East and Crimea. He occupied it in 2014. So, during a lot of years, I'm not speaking about just Biden, but during that time was Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now President Trump. And God bless now President Trump will stop him. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people. You know what the contact was? 2015, 2014. **President Trump:** 2014, 2014. **President Zelensky:** So, I was not here. **President Trump:** Yeah, exactly right. **President Zelensky:** Yes, but during 2014 till 2022, the situation was the same. People have been dying on the contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had conversations with him—a lot of conversations, my bilateral conversation. And we signed with him, me, like a new president in 2019. I signed with him, Macron, and Merkel. We signed a ceasefire. All of them told me that he will never go. We signed him a gas contract. Yes, but after that, he broke this ceasefire. He killed our people, and he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about? What do you mean? **President Trump:** I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country. **Reporter:** Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media right now. You guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring an end to this conflict. **President Zelensky:** Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have? **Reporter:** I have been to Ukraine. **President Zelensky:** I've actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is you bring people—you bring them on a propaganda tour. **President Trump:** Mr. President, are you disagreeing that you've had problems bringing people into your military? **President Zelensky:** And do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country? **President Trump:** A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you have a nice ocean and don't feel it now, but you will feel it in the future. God bless you. You don't know that. God bless you. You will not have war. Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel. **President Zelensky:** I'm not telling you because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember, you're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel very good. **President Trump:** You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position from the very beginning of the war. You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now with us. You start having cards right now; you don't. You're playing cards. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War III. You're gambling with World War III, and what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have. Have you said thank you once this entire meeting? No. In this entire meeting, have you said thank you? You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country. **President Trump:** Your country, please. You think that if you speak very loudly about the war, you can—he's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country is in big trouble. **President Zelensky:** Wait a minute— **President Trump:** No, no, you've done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble. I know you're not winning. You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of— **President Zelensky:** Mr. President, we are staying in our country, staying strong. From the very beginning of the war, we've been alone, and we are thankful. I said thank you. **President Trump:** You haven't been sincere. We gave you, through this stupid president, $350 billion. We gave you military equipment, and your men are brave, but they had to use our military. If you didn't have our equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks—in three days. I heard it from Putin: in three days. This is something made in two weeks, of course. Yes, it's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this. I tell you, say thank you. **President Zelensky:** Except that there are disagreements— **President Trump:** Let's go litigate those disagreements rather than trying to fight it out in the American media. When you're wrong, we know that you're wrong. But you see, you think it's good for the American people to see what's going on. I think it's very important. That's why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful. You don't have the cards; you're buried there. Your people are dying; you're running low on soldiers. Listen, you're running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good thing. **President Zelensky:** And then you tell us— **President Trump:** I don't want a ceasefire. I don't want a ceasefire. I want to go, and I want to—look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you would take it so the bullets stop flying and you stop getting killed. Of course, we want to stop the war, but saying you don't want to— **President Zelensky:** I want guarantees because— **President Trump:** You'll get a ceasefire faster than a degree. Ask our people about ceasefire; what do they think? That wasn't for you; that wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden, who was not a smart person. That was with Obama, who gave you sheets, and I gave you javelins. Yes, I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact, the statement is: Obama gave sheets, and Trump gave javelins. You got to be more thankful because, let me tell you, you don't have the cards with us. You have the cards, but without us, you don't have any cards. **Reporter:** One more question to Mr. Vice President. I'm sorry, it's going to be a tough deal to make because the attitudes have to change. What if Russia breaks this ceasefire? What if Russia breaks peace talks? What do you do then? **President Trump:** I understand that it's a conversation, right? What are you saying? She's asking what if Russia breaks the ceasefire? What if they—what if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now? Okay, what if they broke it? I don't know; they broke it with Biden because Biden didn't respect him. They didn't respect Obama; they respect me. Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever hear of that deal? That was a phony. That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam. Hillary Clinton, Shifty Adam Schiff—it was a Democrat scam. And he had to go through that, and he did go through it. We didn't end up in a war, and he went through it. He was accused of all that stuff; he had nothing to do with it. It came out of Hunter Biden's bathroom; it came out of Hunter Biden's bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said, "Oh, the laptop from hell was made by Russia." The 51 agents—the whole thing was a scam, and he had to put up with that. He was being accused of all that stuff. **President Trump:** All I can say is this: he might have broken deals with Obama and Bush, and he might have broken them with Biden. He did—maybe, maybe he didn't. I don't know what happened, but he didn't break them with me. He wants to make a deal. I don't know if he can make a deal. The problem is I empowered you to be a tough guy, and I don't think you'd be a tough guy without the United States. Your people are very brave, but you're either going to make a deal or we're out. And if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. But you don't have the cards. But once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. But you're not acting at all thankful, and that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest; that's not a nice thing. **President Zelensky:** All right, I think we've seen enough. What do you think, huh? This is going to be great television. I will say that. We'll see what we can do about it.

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